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Elizabeth posting in Pirates of the Caribbean: DMC Alternative
Captian: potc_altdmc (posted by missxswann)
Date: 2006-08-28 19:25
Map Name: Who Gets the Heart?
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((Continuation of the Isla Cruces storyline, which thus-far includes: Will, Jack, Lizzie, Norrington, Pintel, Ragetti, Davy's doings from his ship, and soon-to-be Davy's crew))

Elizabeth looked back into the chest they had uncovered. It was then she realized that the rusting old thing wasn't just filled with letters; there was another, smaller chest inside.

She reached in a lifted it out with trembling fingers. She didn't know who to trust at the moment, least of all herself. Something inside the box seemed to move, and she thrust it quickly into the hands of her nearest companion; Norrington. She realized at once that probably hadn't been the smartest move, but Will or Jack could easily snatch it away again.

"The key," she said faintly. "Will, the key."

She glanced toward him, and her eyes widened.

"Will!" she cried. For behind him, she could make out the fearful silhouettes of several men... men that didn't look entirely human.

"Will!" she cried again, this time more frantically. "Run!"
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Captian: smlmedlrge
Date: 2006-08-30 18:23 (UTC)
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((OOC: Has anyone seen out Will/Jack? She hasn't been on in a while...))
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Elizabeth
Captian: missxswann
Date: 2006-08-30 18:39 (UTC)
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((Nope, I haven't. :( Hrm... well she said her work has been busy so...))
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x_willturner_x
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Date: 2006-09-03 16:42 (UTC)
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*waves* I'm back! Sorry for my absence... won't do it again, promise :)
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Elizabeth
Captian: missxswann
Date: 2006-09-03 18:10 (UTC)
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*huggles* Just glad you're back!
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Anamaria: OT3!!!
Captian: x_anamaria_x
Date: 2006-09-01 06:18 (UTC)
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((Uh ... The key," she said faintly. "Will, the key."
The way you write her si so .. Elizabeth! Really IC! *claps* congrats!))
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;: Elizabeth Nametag
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-01 16:15 (UTC)
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((Thank you! I'm so glad you think so! <3))
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x_willturner_x
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Date: 2006-09-03 16:41 (UTC)
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Will's eyes widened, and he stood stock still for a moment. He recognised the crew members of the Flying Dutchman, and his first thought was to reach for his sword, to do anything to protect Elizabeth. But his brain kicked in after a few moments, and he realised that Elizabeth had the right idea. Turning quickly, he raced after her, all thoughts of the chest and what it contained driven from his mind for the moment.
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j_groves
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Date: 2006-09-03 18:28 (UTC)
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((OOc: to do anything to protect Elizabeth. d'awwwwww! that's so sweet! :D))
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Anamaria
Captian: x_anamaria_x
Date: 2006-09-04 00:31 (UTC)
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((No, it's boring, wanne-be heroic and stupid ^^ *wishes she had her "Kill Will" icon with her* ... sorry, no offence))
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 16:55 (UTC)
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(( D: Must say that comment sends me into an indeterminable amount of distress, marm. Why does everyone hate darling Will so? He's much more complicated than he appears -- just like everyone else in this fandom. People just take his Hero Complex(tm) at face value and dismiss it as blind stupidity, which, considering what Elizabeth did to him, might seem to be true; but as all of Mr Turner's intentions are good, I would say he is full of naivite, rather than sheer idiocy. And anyway, he has certainly proved he has the ability to be incredibly resourceful and smart, if you had the good fortune to see the second film (which, considering you are here, I'm guessing you have).

I don't mean to get all preachy, but I honestly don't understand the general fandom consensus about Will Turner, as he is one of my favorite characters and I am entirely too protective of him.

Long live The Will Turner Defence League!
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Captian: distelhad
Date: 2006-09-06 17:09 (UTC)
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((Hey, like I said, no offence. My hate for Will ... or is it hate? My dislike of Will has several different reasons. The one that wights most, but is th most stupid is that I've always (really) near-hated Orlando Bloom ... I just can't stand him, his face, his acting, his vioce ... everything. Don't ask me why, it's just so. No one can like everyone, aye? So, that allready gave him minus points. Secondly I really seemingly have a problem with "the typical hero". Though every hero is different and some are deep and some are shallow, you can't deny that Will, in this movie, has the role of the tragical hero 100%.

like I said I have a real problem with that because I'm very different in a not-matching way. I can't understand how and why they do the things they do and they make entirly no sense to me. Why always give up everything for this or that? Why pin your live, your happiness and all your feelings to one thing?! I can't understand that.

You're right about Will being naive! He totally is. another thing I can't stand. Though I don't hate naive people, they certainly rise my blood - especially when I have a bad day.

Another thing that plays into my dislike, is my Jack/Johnny love for certain. Jack more actually as for me he is way more brilliant. I mean ... how often have we seen such a tragic hero liek Will? Nearly every second movie has him. But Jack's character is new! And in my mind, he really is a little deeper then Will.

So, I guess if I write more charlie-Ann will have my head on a plattern.

But please don't take this as ... rage blackout or something ... I know my reasons for not liking him aren't all very ... erm ... deep, but sometimes people just don't fit.

I'd actually love to really talk about this! I love such discussions!*hugs*
distel))
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 17:41 (UTC)
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((Haha, seriously, I didn't mean any offence either, I just felt I had to put in my two bits.

See, I didn't like Will at first either. Well, it was actually more like I had no opinion of him -- he paled in comparison to Jack, like you said -- but once I got the DVD in December of '03, the guy sort of grew on me, and I found myself flipping through the chapters in the movie just to see his scenes, and I started reading tons of fanfiction with him in it, and especially got into Will/Jack slash (although I am a diehard Willabeth-er, unless Jack is also involved, in which case I'm a diehard Willalizasparrow-er? Uh. Ahem.) and I think the authors' insights on the character really opened him up for me.

And since December of '03 Will has grown to be one of my absolute favorite characters, right alongside Jack and James and Elizabeth and Barbossa and all the rest. I've since left the DumbPuppy!Will, Evil!James, and Jack/OFC infested waters of fanfiction.net and have satisfied myself elsewhere at such livejournal communities as pirategasm.

Ack, anyway, gotta fly. Ta!
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 18:27 (UTC)
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Haha, alright, back.

Why always give up everything for this or that? Why pin your live, your happiness and all your feelings to one thing?!

That's just his choice. He's not had the easiest of lives, and Elizabeth was probably his one escape, his one image of beauty and grace and kindness in a dark world of iron ugliness and a drunken master's cruelty. Now, he did put her on a rather large pedastal, and he's started to realise that was a bit of a mistake. However, how could you blame him, really? Poor guy, orphaned in the world, looking for a hand to hold.

And anyway, he's so wonderfully selfless; like at the end of DMC when he asks if there is anything he could to about Jack, and you know he's doing it for Elizabeth, even though essentially she's broken his heart then stomped on the pieces. If she's happy, then that's good enough for him, even if he's not the one to have her heart in the end, because he loves her.

You're right about Will being naive! He totally is. another thing I can't stand. Though I don't hate naive people, they certainly rise my blood - especially when I have a bad day.

Naive people can grate on my nerves too, but perhaps I can abide Will's innocence because it's so eager -- and you can't deny that Elizabeth was guilty of that sort of thing, too, though it was more with pirates than anything else and she wasn't very innocent to begin with anyway. But I can appreciate a mind in such a dangerous, cynical world as the West Indies that still sees in black and white -- meaning a mind yet untainted, and filled with dreams and ideals of the way things should be, rather than the way they are.

But that's what this entire fandom is about, though, isn't it? That comparison between the two, and the whole 'good man/bad man' shtick everyone's always on about, and if there is a category between the two; a balance.


Another thing that plays into my dislike, is my Jack/Johnny love for certain. Jack more actually as for me he is way more brilliant. I mean ... how often have we seen such a tragic hero liek Will? Nearly every second movie has him. But Jack's character is new! And in my mind, he really is a little deeper then Will.


Jack is much more of a mystery than Will is, sure, and Will does fit the tragic hero bit very well, but I have to admit: I love Luke Skywalker every bit as much as Han Solo, because then you can see how the both of them really are, you know? If they had never met, Han probably would have gone on being a selfish bastard, and Luke would have stayed a wide-eyed, naive farmboy, and would have probably been captured by Darth Vader and killed, and that would have been a really boring movie. Same thing with Jack and Will -- because they have conflicting points of view and different goals, not only does it emphasize their true characters, but they grow even more interesting and complete around each other.

I don't think Jack is deeper than Will -- just that Will is deep in a different way, because he thinks in a different way, and holds certain things close to his heart that Jack wouldn't dream of touching with a ten-foot pole.
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-06 18:40 (UTC)
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((*pokes head into conversation* Right... so I love Will, but I'm not going to kill you, Distel. <3 Unfourtantly, I don't have the energy to actually argue my case right now.

Next... Meg, darling! Good to see you! Did you want to submit your own name graphic/photo thingy? I went ahead and made one in photoshop, since I'm working on my "top secret project" today... basically me messing around. If you want to make your own, or have me make another, that's fine. <3

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/goddess_girl/megjames.jpg))
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 18:54 (UTC)
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Hi! I had no comp access over the long weekend, and I was dying, I tell you.

At the risk of sounding incredibly thick, what's the name/graphic thingy, exactly?
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-06 18:57 (UTC)
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Not thick at all!

http://community.livejournal.com/potc_altdmc_ooc/8149.html


Thought this way it'd look cooler than just another list of characters. ^^
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 19:01 (UTC)
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Oh. Oh.

THAT'S NIFTY. OMG. I just got so excited</i>

When I get home I'll dick around on photoshop a bit and see what I get and I'll have it for you tomorrow, eh? Or tonight, even, if all goes to plan.
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-06 19:05 (UTC)
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Thanks! I love making stupid random stuff and finding excuses to do it. So I thought this would be cool. And yeah, tomorrow/tonight is fine. I don't plan on putting it up until at least friday. <3
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 19:07 (UTC)
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One more question, just to clarify: do you want it on a white background? Or can I perhaps overexert myself and make it look all parchment-y?
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-06 19:09 (UTC)
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However. I'm going to be boxing them in some-such way so it doesn't matter so long as it's not seriously noisy. It can be anything. There's some photoshopped, and then Sarah and I have them written on objects (spiral for her, cd for me) and then photos... anything goes, so long as it's not like "look at all this stuff in the background omg look my name really small!" :D
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-06 19:19 (UTC)
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*snort* Of course! I don't enjoy overembellishment anyway, so no worries. Thanks!
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♕ Charli☆Ann;;
Captian: whisper_lillies
Date: 2006-09-06 19:20 (UTC)
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Of course, anytime. <3
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Captian: distelhad
Date: 2006-09-06 22:04 (UTC)
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((Oh ... I love this ^^ *laughes*

That's just his choice. He's not had the easiest of lives, and Elizabeth was probably his one escape, his one image of beauty and grace and kindness in a dark world of iron ugliness and a drunken master's cruelty. Now, he did put her on a rather large pedastal, and he's started to realise that was a bit of a mistake. However, how could you blame him, really? Poor guy, orphaned in the world, looking for a hand to hold.

You're right, it's his choice but IMO it's a little sad to only focus your mind on one such thing. I would never forbit the boy to have Lizzie as ... dunno ... "goal" in the meaning of something that is always above him, that he "worships" and loves and imagines to be with, you know. Everyone has that (*coughes*Johnny*coughes*) but why only that? Even for someone like Will, deeply in ... love? Admiration? with someone, there is more to live, ain't there? And one shoud live it! One should breath and not always be scared that someone - said fair lady - sees you doing it the wrong way!

And anyway, he's so wonderfully selfless; like at the end of DMC when he asks if there is anything he could to about Jack, and you know he's doing it for Elizabeth, even though essentially she's broken his heart then stomped on the pieces. If she's happy, then that's good enough for him, even if he's not the one to have her heart in the end, because he loves her.

Well, at least he thinks he does. I sometimes wonder if not BOTH of them are better of with different partners. I sometimes feel that they so convulsive clinged to another and always hoped/wished to be together that they forgot what is around them.

For Will, Lizzie was always "Miss Swann" daughter from a good house, beautiful, money, nice. Everything he never could be (or at least he thought so) and that is why he devoted himself to her totally. Now, spending more time with her away from the "corset" he sees her in a different light. Maybe things will/should change for him?

When it comes to Lizzie, I guess she always envied (sp?) Will as well. So him doing dirty work. She knew she'd never be allowed to do something the like. She saw and knew he was able to come and go like he pleased, do whatever he wanted to (though he never really did, I presume) and she loved this. I think she loved this, because back then that was freedom to her! That is way she stuck with Will so long ... they both gave eachother the little bit iof "difference" they needed.
But now, things have changed drusticaly. Elizabeth will never be able to be the same Ms. Swann again. She now knows what real freedom is, she knows how it is to be a pirate (the very first thing she dreamed about!!) and, though she makes a sour face, we all know she loves it! Will will never be a real pirate. Yes, he might have it in his blood but he always needs a proper reason to do the "bad" things ... he would never do them for the fun of it!

That is why I think they really are growing apart.

Naive people can grate on my nerves too, but perhaps I can abide Will's innocence because it's so eager -- and you can't deny that Elizabeth was guilty of that sort of thing, too

*laughes* Hey! I never said I was a Lizzie lover ^^


I love Luke Skywalker every bit as much as Han Solo, because then you can see how the both of them really are, you know?

Very wisely spoken, Master Yoda ;)
No, but I know what you mean. It's true that both, Neither Will nor Jack would be what they are today without each other. Though I honestly have to say 2 things again.

1) I think Will changed much more because of Jack then vica versa
2) Think about them apart. Imagined they'd never met ... a movie about Jack Sparrow would still rock, because I don't think he would ... he just will never be the typical bad boy. A movie just about Will on the other hand? *is allready assleep*

But that's just me ... and now I need sleep. School tomorrow and it's so late .. *hugs*
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Captian: jas_norrington
Date: 2006-09-07 02:29 (UTC)
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You're right, it's his choice but IMO it's a little sad to only focus your mind on one such thing. I would never forbit the boy to have Lizzie as ... dunno ... "goal" in the meaning of something that is always above him, that he "worships" and loves and imagines to be with, you know. Everyone has that (*coughes*Johnny*coughes*) but why only that? Even for someone like Will, deeply in ... love? Admiration? with someone, there is more to live, ain't there? And one shoud live it! One should breath and not always be scared that someone - said fair lady - sees you doing it the wrong way!

Aha! But did not Jack focus solely on gaining the Pearl back for ten years! And don't try to tell me you don't think Barbossa was obsessing over apples for the entire duration of the curse -- and even Elizabeth was like PIRATESPIRATESPIRATES since she was a young girl -- 'tis unfair to accuse just one from a group of guilty.

And the thing is, Will didn't have anything else. To be an apprentice wasn't very far away from being a slave, and in that society being an orphan was just asking for trouble. As for Will being afraid to live, well. Again. Lost both parents at a young age, left home to go to a place infested with diseases, natives, and lowlifes, got attacked by bloodthirsty pirate on his first voyage out...Can't say I blame him for not living. He didn't have any idea of what was out there because he was afraid of going too far and losing it all again; and I also think that while he 'prenticed for Brown, he was so keen on doing everything he was told so he wouldn't get kicked out -- where else had he to go, really?

And Will was never scared, as you say, of having Lizzie see him in the "wrong way". I think he told himself he could never have her, and tried to distance himself enough (i.e. "Once more, Miss Swann, as always") so that he wouldn't get too attached to something that was way out of his reach.

I do think you're right about Will and Lizzie being attracted to each other because their lifestyles are almost complete opposites. However, I do think they are destined for each other, and that despite their deficiencies, love each other very much -- none of this J/E business with Will out of the picture, because Jack and Liz would kill each other ere long, and Will would wither, I think. And anyway, I think Lizzie needs Will to ground her a bit. They'll survive as a couple, I do believe that, but there will be changes, and words and actions that probably can't ever be taken back; but every couple goes through that. Relationships can't grow if they do not change.

*laughes* Hey! I never said I was a Lizzie lover ^^

Haha, don't get me started about her, now. I love 'er just as much as I love Will, so.

1) I think Will changed much more because of Jack then vica versa
2) Think about them apart. Imagined they'd never met ... a movie about Jack Sparrow would still rock, because I don't think he would ... he just will never be the typical bad boy. A movie just about Will on the other hand? *is allready assleep*


Oh, of course Will changed way more than Jack did. Jack likes to do what he likes to do, and likes to do it how he does it. Will loosened up a lot after Jack; loosened up and gained a better knowledge of the world and his place in it. I do believe, though, that Will reminded Jack he had a conscience. Which is pretty darn important in these films.

And I agree, I would much rather see a movie just about Jack than a movie just about Will -- but that's a bit of an unfair scenario, really. And I love them ever so much more when they're together. Like Bing Crosby and Bob Hope in the 'Road To. . .' series.
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Captian: x_cpnjsparrow_x
Date: 2006-09-03 17:10 (UTC)
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Jack stretched out his hand towards the chest, then snatched it back, looking surreptitiously around to see if anyone had noticed. He drew in his breath sharply as Lizzie yelled. What was the girl on about now?

"Ah," Jack said, noticing the crew of the Flying Dutchman bearing down on them. Raising his arms he snatched the chest from Norrington, and waved it around above his head. "Don't come a step closer, or the heart gets it!" he yelled at the undead crew.

He looked shiftily at Will. "Give us the key, young Will, if you want you and your bonny lass to survive," he hissed at him.
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Elizabeth: Bitch Please
Captian: missxswann
Date: 2006-09-03 18:28 (UTC)
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At the sound of Jack's voice, Elizabeth turned around, her eyes wide.

"Wha-" she clucked at him, unable to finish the question. She felt anger bubbling up inside her as she marched herself towards Jack.

"Are you insane?!" she finally burst out. "Do you really think they're going to stop?"

A glance at the inhuman pirates told her that her first instinct had been right. Spinning on her heel, she ran back to Will, grabbed his arm, and pulled him in the opposite direction of Jack.
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Captian: davy_joness
Date: 2006-09-06 00:12 (UTC)
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The figures were running now, and had obviously noticed the crewmen's prescence.

"Pick up the pace, ya slackers!" yelled Jimmylegs, and the crewmen sped up. Jack was still swaggering about and yelling something.

"Split up an' cut 'em off!" Three crewman broke away and ran off into the trees.
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Elizabeth
Captian: missxswann
Date: 2006-09-06 00:19 (UTC)
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Elizabeth kept running, unsure if Will was still behind her but praying he was. The members of what could only Davy Jones' crew did not look like anyone she wanted to come face to face with...
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